In this interview, Enerfip's co-founder Julien Hostache explains why holacracy was the right bet for building a resilient, human-centred company from day one.
Interview with Julien Hostache, President and Co-founder of Enerfip
In a world of work dominated by traditional hierarchical structures, Enerfip stands out as an exception. Since its founding, our platform has bet on a different organisational model: holacracy. No vertical management, no silos, no all-powerful leadership, but a genuine distribution of power, an assumed trust in employees, and an organisation conceived as a living organism, capable of constant adaptation.
Julien Hostache, President and Co-founder, reflects on this organisation.
The guiding thread is trust. I am deeply convinced that when you trust people, they prove worthy of it.
I built this conviction from my own experience as an employee: ways of operating based on suspicion or constant oversight, designed to limit employees' room for manoeuvre, create a toxic atmosphere and reduce their engagement. Conversely, when people are given genuine trust, they become more involved and thrive. That is the central pillar of how we conceived our governance.
I have never been either omnipotent or omniscient, and it is essential to be aware of that. Knowing your strengths and weaknesses is what allows you to rely on others, on those who are competent where you may not be.
My role as President is above all one of oversight and direction: ensuring that the company's values are preserved, that the people working there feel good, and that everything remains oriented toward collective goals.
I fundamentally believe in collective intelligence: several minds are always better than one. That is the foundation of our approach. It is therefore natural for roles and decisions to be distributed.
The founding idea was precisely to offer a different vision of what a company could be, because we had seen too much of the negative side of the traditional world of work. We drew inspiration from what already existed, and holacracy was the model that truly spoke to us. It was a perfect match! What won me over was its protean and fluid nature — almost biological in the way it adapts.
The main benefit is that in a service company, the wealth lies in the people who work there. If you place employee well-being at the heart of your organisational model, financial and operational performance will follow. The logic is simple: when you rely on everyone's talents and commitment, results are delivered.
As for the limitations, they stem precisely from that protean nature. It does not offer the reassuring comfort of a classic model with clearly defined boundaries. Things change, contours evolve, and for some people, not having a settled daily routine is uncomfortable. We, on the other hand, thrive on constant momentum!
The other challenge is finding the right balance between collective decisions and the need to recentralise certain major decisions. You have to find the right calibration to avoid misunderstandings. It is ongoing work.
We were inspired by holacracy, but we did not copy it to the letter: we do not follow a pre-set path. What we have built is a circle-based model that merges the foundations of holacracy with our own vision. For us, it is necessary to have a point of reference in each circle: someone who plays a watchdog role and steers the circle in the right direction.
Furthermore, our growth has been gradual, which has allowed for a natural adoption and maturation of the model.
It is fairly easy, even if it always surprises people a little. During the "astonishment reports" (check-ins at one and two months), we mostly see people who are pleasantly surprised. And we can see it in our figures too: turnover is low.
It is a strong stance that Sébastien and I defended together: for this model to work across multiple countries, you must absolutely avoid creating silos. Isolated structures generate pockets of disconnection within the team.
We believe, on the contrary, in preserving a monolithic character. When you are part of a circle, you are cross-border — you belong to a collective, not a national entity. We are convinced that this is what guarantees the consistency of orientations and objectives. It is not always simple given cultural differences, but it is a truly relevant approach for addressing this challenge.
The challenges are multiple and very concrete.
These are both legal and human challenges... a near-daily struggle. It is not plain sailing. We dedicate weekly reflection to it, with topics to address continuously, on a case-by-case basis.
We have a basic rule: full remote is possible, but employees based near a branch or headquarters come into the office three days a week. It is the same rule for everyone, regardless of where they are located.
Yes, several.
Culturally, the Dutch are closer to a model like ours than to a pyramidal one (even though that is what they had before). That is a genuine facilitating factor.
Furthermore, we went to introduce ourselves directly to their team early on, which allowed us to move forward gradually. The success of this acquisition lies in having integrated seven people in English, with all the cultural differences that entails.
The main lesson is that when you do things collectively, in the same direction and with conviction, you can address any topic, any challenge. Bringing a group of people together around a shared ambition is the strongest marker of our model's relevance. Everyone felt involved and wanted to contribute their part.
Holacracy and Enerfip are intrinsic: you cannot separate them. The model will likely look different in form, because it is by nature fluid, but the principles and fundamentals will remain the same.
Do not apply the frameworks presented to you to the letter, but draw from them freely to build something that reflects who you are. The essential thing is to align your organisational and governance model with the core values that define you as a leader.
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